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Post by Ms. English on May 31, 2022 7:07:02 GMT -5
Post your answers to the discussion question here. Make sure to read the responses of those posted before you and respond directly to them when appropriate before posting your own.
List the different kinds of languages Anzaldúa says she speaks and organize them according to a principle of your own selection. Explain that principle and what the list it produces tells us about the Chicano/a experience with language.
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Post by aisacksen on Jun 25, 2022 20:56:41 GMT -5
Standard English, Working class/slang English, Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex Mex, and Pachuco are the seven languages Anzaldúa says she speaks. Standard English, Standard Spanish, and Standard Mexian Spanish fall into the category of more widely accepted and recognized languages, while the others stem from immersion of language into different regions and exposure to other cultures and dialects. Chicano Spanish in particular came about through natural evolution, but also from a need of people who don't fully identify with Spanish or English to have their own language. Anzaldúa talks a lot about the demonization of speaking Chicano Spanish, and how it was viewed as "illegimate", and how she often felt people in the community tried to "out-Chicano" eachother. A large part of her experience was the struggle to take pride in her native language, and to feel represented as well as having a feeling of embaressement surrounding her culture.
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Post by chanks on Jul 13, 2022 13:46:14 GMT -5
The seven languages Anzaldua speaks are standard English,Working class/slang English,Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish,North Mexican Spanish Dialect,Chicano Spanish,Tex Mex and Pachuco. Mostly every language listed except Chicano Spanish is more welcoming and accepting within the talked about communties in the passage.The list of languages relates to the chicano/a experience because it shows the older and more cemented languages rooted in culture and the diaspora. So the making of new languages is not going to be highly favored by the rest.Referenced in another comment before(aisacksen),the language of Chicano Spanish originates from the feeling of wanting to belong. Relating to my own personal experience it seems as though Anzaldua is code switching which means she will speak a certain way around certain people. This relates back to her experience with the language because it's not something that she can express with everyone,only a select few. This can raise the questions personally for herself: am i not enough of who my heritage says I am etc.
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Post by afuerst on Jul 20, 2022 13:57:11 GMT -5
Anzaldua speaks standard English, working class and slang English, standard Spanish, standard Mexican Spanish, north Mexican Spanish dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex-Mex, and Pachuco as her seven different languages. In her narrative, Anzaluda states that the standard Mexican Spanish, north Mexican Spanish dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex-Mex, and Pachuco were languages she grew up speaking around friends and family members, with Chicano Spanish and Tex-Mex being the languages she feels closest to. I think that due to these languages being the ones she grew up with, she not only feels the most comfortable speaking them, but she also feels the most connected to, which only makes her feel further alienated from standard English and English slang. Those two languages were ones that she eventually picked up on later in life, so she therefore feels little connection to those two languages, especially due to her experiences with how there was pressure for her to ignore her Chicano speaking roots in order to fully immerse herself in English speaking and European culture.
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Post by Kate S on Jul 22, 2022 13:30:25 GMT -5
Standard English, Working class and slang English, Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex Mex, and Pachuco are all of the eight languages that Anzaldúa speaks. The first four, Standard English, Working class and slang English, Standard Spanish, and Standard Mexican Spanish are all more general languages heard commonly in the US, English being the main language. The last four languages, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex Mex, and Pachuco, have all evolved from the first four languages. Anzaldúa stresses the fact that a language is closely tied to one's culture. For those who fit into neither culture where English or Spanish are the primary language they have to make their own way to communicate with each other. They express themselves in a way that's their own. Anzaldúa also shares how the languages of her culture, Chicano Spanish in particular, are often frowned upon as they aren’t considered “pure” like Standard Spanish or English. All languages have been altered and evolved with time, even Spanish and English stemmed from Latin. A language should fit the speaker as it represents themselves and experiences, not the other way around.
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Post by joshkane on Jul 24, 2022 18:04:52 GMT -5
Anzaldũa states that Chicanos of today speak many languages, some of the languages the speak are: Standard English, Working Class/Slang English, Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish (with the regions of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California having different variations), Tex-Mex, and Pachuco. The latter five are considered "home" languages to Anzaldúa, as the are used in conversation with her Brothers, Sisters and friends. She picked up Texas style Chicano Spanish from her parents and in the valley, and uses it in talking to her mother and little brother. The former languages on the list, like English having been picked up in other fashions, such as school, and work environments, or Standard Spanish, having been learned from Spanish and Mexican literature are less popular with Anzaldũa and are used with people she is less acquainted with. When speaking naturally to people she is close to, Anzaldũa weaves her words using different threads from her identity and may switch from Spanish to English at whim.
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Post by Lucas Frankart on Jul 25, 2022 21:31:14 GMT -5
Standard English, Working class and slang English, Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex Mex, and Pachuco are all of the eight languages that Anzaldúa speaks. The first four, Standard English, Working class and slang English, Standard Spanish, and Standard Mexican Spanish are all more general languages heard commonly in the US, English being the main language. The last four languages, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex Mex, and Pachuco, have all evolved from the first four languages. Anzaldúa stresses the fact that a language is closely tied to one's culture. For those who fit into neither culture where English or Spanish are the primary language they have to make their own form of this and is often Referred to as slang.
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Post by kyox on Jul 27, 2022 14:53:27 GMT -5
The languages Anzaldúa and other chicano’s spoke were standard, working class and slang english(which would be picked up from school, the media and job situations.) She refers to spanish as her “home tongue” which just means she spoke it with her family and friends. There were different kinds though, for example standard and standard mexican spanish which she learned from reading mexican literature. The north mexican dialect which she got from immigrants freshly getting here, and chicano spanish along with tex-mex and pachuco which she picked up from her parents and people living in the valley. All of these can seem very confusing for a chicano/ chicana which is why most of the time they’re mixed and is the reason there are so many ways to speak spanish in the first place. As said by Anzaldúa “Chicanos after 250 years of spanish/anglo colonization, have developed significant differences in the spanish we speak.”
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Post by Lucy L on Aug 15, 2022 8:39:14 GMT -5
The seven languages Anzaldua speaks are standard English,Working class/slang English,Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish,North Mexican Spanish Dialect,Chicano Spanish,Tex Mex and Pachuco. Mostly every language listed except Chicano Spanish is more welcoming and accepting within the talked about communties in the passage.The list of languages relates to the chicano/a experience because it shows the older and more cemented languages rooted in culture and the diaspora. So the making of new languages is not going to be highly favored by the rest.Referenced in another comment before(aisacksen),the language of Chicano Spanish originates from the feeling of wanting to belong. Relating to my own personal experience it seems as though Anzaldua is code switching which means she will speak a certain way around certain people. This relates back to her experience with the language because it's not something that she can express with everyone,only a select few. This can raise the questions personally for herself: am i not enough of who my heritage says I am etc. I think that a really good point was brought up here by addressing that the variety of languages that Anzaldua speaks can create an insecurity or feeling of disconnect from certain elements of her culture. Anzaldua mentioned that there were certain dialects such as Pachucho that she would only speak with her peers, and some languages like Standard English or Spanish that she would speak with family. Some of the insecurity being questioned can be seen when Anzaldua is talking about Chicana Spanish and the different places she speaks it, she mentioned that with Chicanas from New Mexico or Arizona she can speak Spanish a little bit, but with Californian Chicanos she would "embarass" herself or them by speaking in Spanish. Anzaldua mentions that it is only really with other Chicana Tejana that she can speak "freely", the use of the word freely hints at the burden and stress she feels by trying to navigate all the different languages and places where her voice is accepted.
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Post by Brendan T. on Aug 18, 2022 17:49:21 GMT -5
In the essay "How to Tame a Wild Tongue" by Gloria Anzaldua, she lists eight languages that she speaks; Working class and slang English, standard English, standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex-Mex, and Pachuco. I listed these languages in the an order of what sounded most familiar to me. People with different back rounds might list this differently than me if they based it on familiarity. some people might still label these the same as I did. It would come down to how they were raised, what languages they were brought up around. Some people might have been introduced to Spanish first and English later or the other way around, English then Spanish. From the reading we were informed of how in America, English schools would try and "correct the way people talk". These being the Chicano/a people. They would find the smallest reasons on why the way they speak was bad and immediately place them in a corrective language class. This would change there accent and was now viewed as proper. not only is this the schools trying to white wash the community it is dulling out their culture in the process.
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Post by Kierra Walker on Aug 19, 2022 16:29:23 GMT -5
Anzaldua says that Chicanos today speak many languages, some of which are standard English, working class English / Slang, Spanish dialects of northern Mexico, Mexican Standard Spanish, Pachuco, Standard Spanish, Chicano Spanish -- that differs from location to location -- and Tex-Mex. The last five languages are considered "native" for Anzaldúa, as they are used in conversations with her siblings and friends. She learned Texas-style Chicano Spanish from her parents and the Valley, and used it to speak to her mother and younger brother. Anzaldua does not typically speak standard Spanish unless it's what's most appropriate at the time but does use Spanglish a lot when speaking to those she is comfortable/close with.
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Post by robbie kays on Aug 27, 2022 11:31:03 GMT -5
The different languages Anzaldua speaks are standard English, Working class/ Slang English, standard Spanish, standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex-Mex, and Pachuco. Standard English, and standard Spanish/ Mexican Spanish are grouped together since they are the standard of which most people from those language based countries speak and it's a more widely accepted form of language. The other languages such as working class/ slang English, Chicano, Tex-Mex and North Mexican Spanish all stem from the standard forms of the languages but include a mixture of dialect from other cultures and the communities in which those languages can be found can affect how they may sound, and how different words could mean different things in those languages. It can make it for those who only know the standard language to be confused or not understand, and can also put those languages that have stemmed from others at a disadvantage as others might see them as less intellectual as they tend to shorten words like using slang.
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Post by Keyton M. on Aug 28, 2022 17:05:03 GMT -5
The different languages Anzaldua speaks are Chicano Spanish, Tex-Mex, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish dialect, Pachuco, Standard English, Working class and slang English, and standard Spanish. The first five listed are the most important to Anzaldua because they are what she spoke with her family. She calls these her "home" tongues. The first two listed are the most important to her, Tex-Mex feeling the most natural. Being constantly put into these situations where she is switching between English and Spanish, she likes to mix them. The last three listen have been learned through exposure and are not the most or relate to her heritage very much.
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Post by amygarcia on Aug 30, 2022 18:52:54 GMT -5
The eight different languages that Anzaldua says she speaks are Tex-Mex, Chicano Spanish, Pachuco, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Standard Mexican Spanish, Standard Spanish, Working Class and Slang English, and Standard English. The first two on the list which are Tex-Mex and Chicano Spanish are the languages that are the closest to her heart. Along with those two and the next three which are Pachuco, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, and Standard Mexican Spanish are what she calls her"home" tounges because they are the languages she speaks with her sister, brothers, and friends. She picked up Standard Mexican Spanish and the next language on the list which is Standard Spanish from Mamagrande Locha and by reading Spanish and Mexican literature. The last two on the list which are Working Class and Slang English and Standard English she says she picked up from school, the media, and job situations.
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Post by maya on Aug 31, 2022 20:51:07 GMT -5
Within the short story, Anzaldúa describes that she knows and speaks multiple languages. She lists the languages she knows as Standard English, Working class/slang English, Standard Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, North Mexican Spanish Dialect, Chicano Spanish, Tex Mex, and Pachuco. I would separate Chicano Spanish, Standard Mexican Spanish, Tex Mex, North Mexican Spanish, and Pachuco as its own category due to Anzaldúa describing it as her native tongues, since she speaks a lot of these different languages around her house, with her family, and with her friends. With these languages, she had managed to pick the majority of them up from talking to people surrounding her as she would grow up. Yet, with the Standard English, slang English, and Standard Spanish into a category as to where they were more formal, as well as being learned rather than being used in the house day to day on a usual basis.
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