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Question 4
Aug 28, 2022 14:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by Emily Porco on Aug 28, 2022 14:53:43 GMT -5
I somewhat agree with this statement. Last year in school I found myself rarely having homework in classes that weren’t AP and not having trouble at all. Admittedly this made me work not as hard in class. If I could get an A why try harder. There was no motivation for me in most of the classes. But in classes like Algebra 2 and Biology I definitely tried much harder. I struggle more with math and science, mostly because I just don’t find those subjects interesting. So getting an A in those classes made me feel good and like I could do well in the class. They weren’t just easy A’s and I actually had to work for them so I felt like I got a better benefit from doing well in those classes. But I think some students need a greater motivation. For example applying work to the real world is a motivation I find helpful. In some classes it feels like I will never use any of the information I’m learning in them, so I might not try as hard as something that actually has to do with my life.
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Post by Lucas F. on Aug 28, 2022 18:12:46 GMT -5
I could not agree more with this statement. Whenever I have a teacher who will set a low bar for an easy A, I take it and put forth little effort and often will get an A but learn little to nothing in the class all trimester. I feel when a teacher sets a high bar in a difficult class, it brings the best out in most students, and when a super high bar is set, most students will try their hardest to make sure they float to that bar. The students who take the harder class will come out a better student overall even if they don't have the higher grade. Me personally I would much rather have a teacher that will push me and force me to push as hard as I can to get an A rather then not try and get an easy A in a poor class.
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Post by Keyton M. on Aug 28, 2022 19:33:16 GMT -5
This quote makes some sense to me, if teachers have a clear expectation that challenges them but is attainable can be good but when talking about meeting a mark personally competing against peers is a lot more motivation for me. If I am trying to meet a mark I will look at the topic and see if I care and then look at peers and see how I can get to where they are and pass them. This is true for me in and out of education but when looking at my educational experience thus far it has pushed me fairly well. traditional motivation such as good grades does work for me but when the grade is the only thing I am concerned about I will just pick easy classes because that is the easiest way to get where I want to be. I don't think there is a educational system that could motivate all students because of the differences in the way people learn and work through adversity.
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Post by robbie kays on Aug 28, 2022 20:24:20 GMT -5
When it comes to exceeding in school it can be hard to exceed in every class you take especially in subjects you may not find the most interesting or relevant to you. For me when it came to floating to the mark it happened a lot when it came to my freshman year in high school the mark is set pretty low for many teachers as your first year of high school is often considered the easiest and I think it's that way because the expectation for the work motive is pretty low from teachers. So in that case many students tend to have a rough first year in high school or a very good one depending on what kind of student you are. For me it didn't go very well I thought that i can could breeze by my classes procrastinating every night and staying up late. At the end of the tri when covid hit my grade ended up being terrible and it brought my GPA down because of the way they finalized grades based on how you did during the first part of that class. The school does a good job with motivating there are many activities as well as resources to help motivate them to do better in school, such as clubs and study group, as well as occasional raffles.
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Post by Sam Davis on Aug 28, 2022 22:29:55 GMT -5
Saying that “Students will float to the mark you set” reminds me about being a leader. Someone who is a leader inspires others around them. A leader sets the mark. Examples of this would be a coach or director holding their group accountable. Setting the bar for success and striving to reach it as a whole. If your group doesn’t have a strong leader then chances are the group won’t be strong either. Setting a high mark can lead to high performance. I have also seen bad leaders lead others to failure and that is obviously not successful. In terms of students, teachers need to set a goal for every student. Help encourage and inspire them to be their best. Have them float to the mark of success. In the end this will be the highest point of success for students to float to. Set a goal as the leader then everyone will follow.
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Post by Ren Dunning on Aug 29, 2022 17:24:47 GMT -5
When I first read the quote "Students will float to the mark you set," (315, Rose), I related immediately. I have spent 11 years in private and prep schools, excelling through elementary and middle school showing so much potential, hitting every high mark, and being the top percentile. When middle school started, all of those top grades and top percentages stayed, but my growth in school was plateauing. All subjects and classes were ridiculously easy and bored me. All through until high school, I would lift a single finger and all my work was done effortlessly, I got all As, and had an unweighted 4.0 GPA. I hadn't truly learned something new or challenging since elementary. Everything came and went easily, and I've been bored out of my mind. So I switched out of private schooling and into a more open environment with more opportunities for higher classes and advanced programs. I doubt anything will change, and that I'll continue to learn nothing more and be underchallenged. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by maya on Aug 31, 2022 16:17:39 GMT -5
During the beginning of my school year in 9th grade, I was signed up to do my second year of ATYP. I have been a good student for a lot of my life, especially with the fact of being in the British schooling system for the majority of my life which has made it easy to be ahead of the schooling system in the USA. Typically, I will be among the "smarter" kids in a lot of my classes, and I have been told that it is one of the things I am known for. Yet, being one of the students who have to constantly set the bar for the others who are below them starts to become tiring as teachers and parents depend on you to do it many times. As I mentioned on my ATYP, I was pressured by my parents to continue to do a second year of math, yet I was so burnt out and drained from ATYP the first year around and everything going on with Covid that my motivation for returning to ATYP a second time was no longer there. I could say with complete honesty that the motivation that is built into our educational system is based off of trying to be better than the others within your class. Whether it is with your friends or someone that is sitting on the other side of the room, it doesn't feel good to be on the lower end in terms of grades or anything in that area. The traditional motivation of getting good grades has never worked for me, it has always been my parents pushing me to be among the best. An educational system that might motivate all students is allowing each student to cultivate their own way of how they want to be noted and graded of their growth.
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Post by kyox on Aug 31, 2022 22:47:13 GMT -5
"Students will float to the mark you set" This phrase can be relatable to some people, and to others not so much.
There is a such thing as setting the bar too high, in which someone cannot reach. A real life example of this is, expectations. Your family, teachers, administrators, etc... have expectations for you, some of these may not even be realistic. No one really knows what kind of student you are, but yourself. Teachers have to focus on many students at a time, most don't have interest or time in getting to know what type of student you are. Your parents don't see enough of you being a student to know how you learn and embed information. So why do they get to set the bar for you?
The "motivation" built into our education system is getting good grades, taking advanced classes, getting ahead in credits etc... I personally do not think this works for me and i know it doesn't work for other people either. This is more pressure than motivation. I think the best motivation anyone can have is from yourself. You know what your comfort zone is, you know where your boundaries stand so I think you should be the one to come out of your comfort zone whenever you're ready and reset your boundaries.
Not everyone will float up to the marks people set.
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Post by joshuakane on Sept 2, 2022 12:36:04 GMT -5
"Students will float to the mark you set" tells us that teachers with high expectations of their students will see higher results. When I'm in classes with my peers at Norrix like A.P. Calculus, or last year in my honors English classes, my teachers held high expectations for the students in their class, not because they wanted the classes to be impossibly hard, but because they knew their students would thrive through the challenges. I've also been in classes at Norrix that were filled with kids that were really struggling, and when teachers have to stop and scold kids all the time, the mark is set basically at the bare minimum. Honestly, I believe there's a lot of scare tactics involved with motivation in most school systems, because society always makes it seem like those who achieve poorly in school won't amount to anything in life, and that makes it easy for some kids who are doing bad to just give up completely.
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Post by Max on Sept 2, 2022 14:52:13 GMT -5
I understood this quote as students only doing, at most, what is expected of them. If the teacher pushes students to do well on the assignments, then they will try their best to do so, but if the teacher doesn’t really care how well the students do, then many won’t try their best. I feel that this quote is true most of the time, because I do always try my best in my academics, but my level of work is definitely different for what class and teacher I have. If the teacher is kind and understanding of students, and wants them to try their best, I will work hard in that class because I’ll enjoy the environment, and I will want to learn. But if the teacher isn’t respectful of students and doesn’t do a good job at teaching the curriculum, I will probably put that work to the side and try harder in other classes and activities.
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Post by amygarcia on Sept 2, 2022 21:25:42 GMT -5
A moment in my life where I felt impacted by my teacher would be in seventh grade English class. I never really liked English class and found it pointless but my teacher helped me really see it. I always struggled in English class but my English teacher really helped me when I was struggling and she taught me in a way that I really understood and actually helped me pass the class. Ever since then I really enjoyed reading and try my hardest in my English classes and all my classes in general. What motivates me in school is my future. Whenever I struggle I always remember what I am doing it for and how it will all be worth it. I think that if all students find a passion or reason on why to go to school and do well they can use that motivation when struggling and help them so they can keep going on.
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Post by Emma Ramos on Sept 2, 2022 22:12:43 GMT -5
When Mike writes "Students will float to the mark you set" I felt it with my U.S history teacher because he influenced and understood when talking to him about time management, he gave his students a lot of time and prepared them with a decent amount of work where I felt I was actually learning something, not having to worry about so much work but to have time for my life outside of school. I feel I am a good student with teachers who are flexible and understanding with other students, it helps me feel confident to ask for help and communicate with them. I feel like educational experiences have pushed me to work harder for myself but also take a lot of time out of my day and is hard to keep track while having personal responsibilities. Motivations that I feel are built are by the teachers having an understanding of how we also need time for ourselves and managing the work at a decent pace. Traditional ways have not worked the best for me because it's very time taking and hard to keep up but when I have a good pace I am able to organize myself. I feel like students would be motivated by the way teachers teach like being enthusiastic and making the class interesting but not too hard.
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Post by will m on Sept 5, 2022 22:20:00 GMT -5
The statement is very true in the case of "regular school". I have always been a bare minimum student when it comes to traditional school, and I have always done exactly what I need to do to please my parents and move on to the next class. Even when I was in KAMSC, I always did as little as I needed to do to succeed because I truly had no motivation to go above and beyond. I have known for a while that I was most likely going to go into music as a career and follow my passion for creating music. This has led me to treat school as a secondary to my musical endeavors, which I still do to this day. The normal education system does not make me want to go above and beyond at all, but on the sharp contrast, my mentors pushing me musically always leads to me going to great lengths to separate myself from the rest. I always have a drive to work harder on music and I always have drive to improve, which is something I have never felt for traditional school. Getting good grades has always been mostly irrelevant to me, and I just do what will create the least problems for me at home. There needs to be an educational system that helps students find things that they love instead of putting them through such a general education that bores them and doesn't give them any hope or motivation for their future.
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Post by Ariel on Sept 5, 2022 23:53:33 GMT -5
I definitely think that the statement is true. My educational experiences have heavily impacted my life especially going to a bilingual school. I had to learn how to adjust to two languages on top of learning material like everyone else. Some may think that is easy but at a young age it can be very difficult. However, I am still very proud of myself. I see that a lot of students tend to have this idea of doing minimal work just to get a passing grade. I understand it but I also think that teachers have a big part in how much effort their students apply to their work/class. When I compare some of my teachers, I notice that the ones who motivate get the most effort or work out of their students. That holds a lot of meaning because in my opinion, I feel that students will try harder in class when they have a supportive teacher. I think that students try in harder classes as well but they aren't giving it their all they are just looking to pass the class.
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Post by alliefried on Sept 6, 2022 22:09:08 GMT -5
For me, this quote is not at all true. I think teachers are consistently setting marks that are never accomplished by their students. No teacher can truly set a mark for students without making one for each individual person, and knowing what goes on in their life that could effect them reaching that goal. I think the only time this quote has ever proven true was in my Biology class freshman year. My teacher was overwhelmingly positive and would always be there for you during each and every struggle. Her goal for the class was that every student leave with more knowledge than they came in with -- generally a very low goal to set for KAMSC students. However, each student had different things going on that would hinder their ability to reach other teachers goals like easily passing every test, or turning in every assignment on time. This teacher would just help you through as each obstacle came with the hopes that each student would from and appreciation for some part of Biology, and leave with some bits of new information that would help them throughout other classes, whether that was actually a Biology subject or just a piece of life advice.
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