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Post by Jayde Hayworth on Aug 20, 2023 18:40:17 GMT -5
In both essays, “How to Tame a Wild Tongue” and “The Fourth of July,” both authors talk about oppression and the struggles that they have faced with identity, culture, and lifestyle living in America. This is what makes them feel less American, as they face oppression just because they aren’t the “ideal” American and try to do the same things that other white Americans do. Even though both authors have different situations, they still faced many of the same challenges; Anzaldua said she feels like her tongue is her culture, but when she speaks it she gets criticized - when she speaks English, she feels she is betraying her culture, but she has realized this her whole life, whereas Lorde had only recently figured out about how common racial discrimination actually is. Lorde receives much discrimination from her white counterparts; and her parents ignore it, whereas Anzaldua faces it from her white counterparts and her Hispanic peers, which also can make them feel more hopeless, as they have no one by their side.
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Post by elizabethb on Aug 21, 2023 12:35:25 GMT -5
In the essays "How to Tame a Wild Tongue' and "The Fourth of July", both authors talk about the oppression they face by living in America. This oppression makes them feel less American because they don't fit into the standards of an "ideal American". In "How to Tame a Wild Tongue" Anzaldua writes about how she feels by speaking English she is opposing her culture, and when speaking Spanish or other dialects, she is punished. Her language or her "tongue" gives her a sense of identity, but is discriminated against because of how she speaks. In "The Fourth of July" Lorde writes about how she was discriminated against because of how she looks. Even though being born in America and identifying as American, Lorde is still discriminated against, making her feel less "American" in a way. In both essays, the authors are American by birth, but wrongfully treated, making them feel conflicted on their sense of identity. I agree with you, both women feel like they are less American because they face discrimination and oppression. Some examples of this are, in "How to Tame a Wild Tongue" Anzaldua writes about a time when she was trying to tell a teacher how to say her name correctly. But she got punished and told to "go back to Mexico" because she "isn't speaking like an American". This makes her feel like she is not American enough. Anzaldua has the conflict going on within her on wether she she should be "more American" to try and fit in or to embrace her heritage. Where as in "Fourth of July" Lorde tells a story of when she was young and went on a trip to Washington DC. She was discriminated against because of her skin color. Like when her family rode in the Milk Car because it was cheaper. But when Lorde asked to go to the dinning car to eat she couldn't because of her skin color. Which as a little kid was very confusing, and made her feel less American as she grew up. I think that they both feel somewhat American because they live in America, but the discrimination and oppression makes it hard for them to feel accepted and like true Americans.
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Post by morganhall on Aug 21, 2023 17:13:45 GMT -5
It is very apparent that in "How to Tame a Wilde Tongue", and "The Fourth of July" by Gloria Anzaldua and Audre Lorde are exposed to discrimination in america. While both are American born citizens neither are treated equally as any caucasian person. Although not described specifically, Anzaldua faces discrimination from whites not just Latinos. Anzaldua's unfairness comes from more of a language background and less of looks. Through her whole story we hear different languages she has to adapt to, to prevent hatred. Lorde on the other hand receives racism from the color of her skin. And unlike Anzaldua there is no way to overcome racism because she can't change the characteristics of her birth. Like I pointed out previously, a lot of Anzaldua's inequity comes from many of her own ethnicity, whether shes talking to Latinos and they're judging her or she is facing Chicano's hate for speaking out of tongue. Anzaldua has grown up knowing "switch codes" and Lorde has just come to realize the full effect of racism. Even with all these differences both are American facing racist and judgmental injustices.
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Post by Leland Wagner on Aug 26, 2023 21:54:25 GMT -5
In both, “How to Tame a Wild Tongue” by Gloria Anzaldúa and “The Fourth of July” by Audre Lorde, they both tell stories about their life in America and how they've always felt out of place and not really like American's. In both passages they both mention that even though they are American citizens they were treated as though they don't belong there or are unwanted by other Americans. In both stories they follow their childhood, where they never really fit in with the other kids in school. Like with Anzaldua's story she corrected a teachers pronunciation of her own name which resulted in her being yelled at by her teacher. Anzaldua also had to learn to quiet her accent to be able to speak English in America. With Lorde though she's always felt certain that she was American but that was due to being protected by her parents from racial discrimination. Though in her story she experiences racism up close while in an ice cream shop in Washington D.C., and how she begins to re-think how she feels about her country and identity.
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Post by tatummielke on Aug 26, 2023 23:13:35 GMT -5
In both, “How to Tame a Wild Tongue” by Gloria Anzaldúa and “The Fourth of July” by Audre Lorde, Both are American women by citizenship and where they live, however, they don’t feel accepted. They feel american but also feel like they don’t belong in america. In “How to Tame a Wild Tongue” by Gloria Anzaldua, her American identity comes from her experience of not being completely accepted by Latinos or Americans. In “The Fourth of July” by Audre Lorde, she feels like an American citizen as any other person, however, because of her non-white ethnicity, it causes Lorde to face discrimination in her everyday life. Both women faced discrimination as young children, Lorde experienced racism while Anzaldúa is punished in school for speaking spanish. Both women discuss how racist opinions and actions had negatively impacted their views on their culture and made them feel less American. they are treated differently because of something they have no control over.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 27, 2023 12:40:52 GMT -5
In both "How to Tame a Wild Tongue" and "The Fourth of July", Gloria Anzaldua and Audre Lorde share stories as to why they feel American and why they don't feel American. Both share that they feel American because of their citizenship yet tell stories like the one in "How to Tame a Wild Tongue" where Anzaldua talks about how her teacher made her stand in the corner of the classroom because her teacher mispronounced her name and she only tried to correct her. Similarly, in "The Fourth of July" Lorde talks about what happened to her family in the dinner, where they were refused because of the color of their skin. Although both Anzaldua and Lorde are American citizens, both feel also as if they are not because of how they were being discriminated against.
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Post by Addison Popp on Sept 1, 2023 19:21:39 GMT -5
Gloria Anzaldua and Audre Lorde both feel American because of the fact that they live here and this is their home. They have communities. They both do not feel American due to discrimination.They both had to deal with people dismissing them and their needs and blatantly disrespecting them and stripping them of their basic human rights. In "the fourth of July" they were allowed to buy food and contribute to their business but not allowed to sit with the white people. In "How to take a wild tongue" she was told she had to "speak american" to be american in elementary school because she had an accent. It is all racism, they both had to fight for decades to get their basic human rights.
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Post by Sophia Salinas on Sept 1, 2023 22:54:32 GMT -5
In both, "Fourth of July" by Audre Lorde and "How to Tame a Wild Tongue" by Gloria Anzaldua both delve into the complex nature of feeling like they don't belong in a nation that was built on their ancestors. In "Fourth of July", Lorde shares her experience of being discriminated against for her own skin, and Anzaldua shares more of what it was like growing up with different tongues. Different types of writing but still the same theme: growing up different than their own "true" American peers. Anzaldua specifically shares how speaking in different sub-dialects of both Spanish and English can change how someone views her. Chicano Spanish has always been criticized by both sides. The original Spanish side claims that this dialect is invalid and a disgrace to the language while the opposing English side claims that this English is too "ghetto". The phrase to tame a wild tongue is a comment on how some Americans view the Spanish language as savage or "untameable".
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Post by zanderligman on Sept 6, 2023 9:00:27 GMT -5
"How to Tame a Wild Tongue" by Gloris Anzaldua, and "The Fourth of July" by Audre Lorde, are both stories of women in America who do not feel completely American. In "Fourth of July," Audre Lorde's family, which is African American, took a trip to Washington DC. Audre was very excited for this trip and was really looking forward to it but then when they got there, she didn't feel right. There were a lot of things that her family couldn't do because of their race. Like when they went into an ice cream shop but were kicked out because black people weren't allowed. Making Lorde angry in a way against America, like she didn't belong there, or wasn't welcome. Gloria went through similar experiences when she was in school. All of the Chicano students were required to take two language classes to try and get rid of their accents. Gloria was also punished for being caught speaking spanish at recess. This made her feel like she wasn't American, since she was being punished just for talking. Both of them are sort of forced to feel American because that is where they live, but they both don't feel welcomed in the country.
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