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Post by Ms. English on May 30, 2023 7:53:36 GMT -5
Post your answers to the discussion question here. Make sure to read the responses of those posted before you and respond directly to them when appropriate before posting your own.
This essay is from Rose's powerful book Lives on the Boundary. What boundaries does Rose write about here? What acts of classification do these boundaries serve?
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Post by brynn on Jul 18, 2023 11:04:43 GMT -5
Mike Rose writes about the boundaries he experiences in the education system. When he is put into the vocational track there isn't an expectation to perform well academically so him and his classmates didn't try, instead just accepting the label of average, until a biology class where Rose was interested in the materiel so he did well in the class and ended up being put in a different course for more of a challenge. There was a higher expectation of them in the class and since he was so used to being able to underperform in any class he didn't find interesting, he didn't do well until college English in his senior year where the teacher really pushed him into the materiel they were reading and really taught them. There was more of a focus on learning rather than grades. The boundaries of being classified as someone who does bad in school served to take away any drive Rose had for learning until he had a teacher who expected more of him.
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Post by johnhawver on Aug 1, 2023 17:20:43 GMT -5
The boundaries Rose writes about are in the education system, and his family's situation, and it classifies different levels of education and money. His family was not super supportive, and was not financially well off, so he was allowed to be put in an average school system. In this school system he was never pushed and was just fine with being mediocre. It was only until he got a good teacher that he started being pushed and started doing better. This is a boundary that many underprivileged people face in America's education system today, and it is unfortunate that money can dictate what education a person can get so much. Another boundary is the mental boundary with not being pushed. When you aren't being pushed to do well, you think you're doing your best when you're not. This is something I know many people experience, because the mind will quit before it reaches its full potential.
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Post by cristianvargas on Aug 15, 2023 11:59:17 GMT -5
Rose addresses boundaries that exist within the educational system and society at large. These boundaries can be both physical and metaphorical. They include barriers such as economic disparities, racial and cultural biases, limited access to educational resources, and the classification of students based on their perceived abilities or deficits. Classification acts as a means of categorizing and labeling students, often based on standardized tests or other measurements of academic performance. These classifications can reinforce educational inequalities by confining students to predetermined tracks or expectations. The act of labeling can have profound consequences on students’ experiences, opportunities, and self-perception.
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Post by georgia on Aug 16, 2023 9:13:57 GMT -5
In “I Just Wanna be Average”, Rose writes about the boundaries that exist in the educational system caused by the classification of students based on their previous performance and presumed capabilities. In Rose’s case he was mistakenly placed in the vocational track at his high school, but this still created boundaries for him. This is because he wasn’t really challenging himself or reaching his maximum potential both because he only had to do so much to succeed in the lower level classes and because he accepted his classification in the system, causing his self-perception to change. Once Rose was moved into college prep courses, the boundaries he faced from the vocational track and the inadequacy of his previous classes caused him to be unprepared for more challenging classes. It wasn’t until Rose had Mr. McFarland for English, who inspired him and actually taught him to enjoy the material rather than just strive for academic success, that he finally started to overcome his boundaries and set higher expectation for himself. The classification of students based on presumed intelligence results in many boundaries in the educational system.
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Post by Ava Ritenour on Aug 19, 2023 11:32:39 GMT -5
The boundaries Mike Rose discusses in "I Just Wanna be Average are boundaries like the educational system, environment, and mindset, and how all 3 affect the other. He talks about his experiences in the vocational track, and how there isn't much motivation because the classes aren't designed to help the students they are merely designed to hold the students. Therefore, all of the students in the vocational tack were unmotivated and felt like there was no point to try and succeed. This affected the environment of the classrooms because it would create this mood, and affect everyones mindset that they don't need to try or just simply don't want to. This mindset then in turn affects the environment, which in turn affects the educational system giving up on the kids over and over again. These boundaries he talks about creates a cycle that can feel inescapable until some change is made by the system or even an individual. That change and breakthrough of the boundaries, for Rose, was his teacher Jack MacFarland, who was an individual that motivated him and other student, and who broke the boundaries and helped Rose break them too.
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Post by tatummielke on Aug 26, 2023 22:18:23 GMT -5
In “I Just Wanna be Average” by Mike Rose, Rose writes about what he experiences in the education system, the boundaries that exist in the educational system are caused by the classification of students based on their previous performance. They include barriers such as economic differences, racial and cultural biases, and limited access to educational resources, The act of labeling can have profound consequences on students’ experiences, opportunities, and self-confidence. Rose’s family was not super supportive and was not financially stable. In the public school system, underprivileged kids are typically only seen as average, all of the students in the vocational tack were unmotivated and felt like there was no point to try and succeed but all it takes is one teacher to change that mindset. When Rose was placed with a specific teacher (Jack Macfarland) he started to be pushed to exceed higher expectations. If underprivileged students had access to better education, it can open a whole new world for them.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 27, 2023 13:18:06 GMT -5
In "I Just Wanna be Average", Mike Rose writes about the boundaries that are set in the educational system, along with the other experiences he faces. He writes about his classification in school, along with his friends', as students who do not perform well due to lack of effort. He expresses some of the boundaries he faces, like teachers' hopelessness and the overall lack of support in the school system. He describes how these boundaries had an effect on his academic achievement, and how it only took one teacher that pushed him and motivated him to succeed to make all the difference. Classifying and setting boundaries up for students can play a major role in the success of those students, not only for the opportunities that they would have had, but the motivation that nobody gave them, heavily impacting their education.
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Post by edmundocg on Aug 27, 2023 21:56:54 GMT -5
In "I Just Wanna be Average" from Mike Rose's book "Lives on the Boundary," the author explores various boundaries that shape educational experiences. Rose sheds light on the boundaries of academic expectations and social stereotypes that students encounter. He narrates his personal journey through a vocational education track, where lower expectations are set for students deemed "average" or "troublemakers." These boundaries segregate students into different tracks based on perceived abilities, limiting their opportunities and potential. Classification plays a significant role in these boundaries. Schools categorize students based on assumptions about their abilities and backgrounds. This sorting system perpetuates inequality by funneling certain students into vocational or remedial tracks, often reinforcing socioeconomic disparities. Rose himself faces misclassification, as his academic potential is initially overlooked due to placement tests. By recounting his experiences, Rose exposes the harmful effects of these boundaries and classification systems. He highlights the importance of recognizing individual potential regardless of initial labels. Ultimately, the essay prompts readers to question and challenge the educational boundaries that can hinder students' growth and success, advocating for a more inclusive and nurturing approach to learning.
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Post by Sasha on Aug 29, 2023 18:54:53 GMT -5
Rose writes about boundaries in society and schooling systems. By putting people into categories it makes them have an affect on their self-image.
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Post by khanielsmith on Sept 5, 2023 20:27:53 GMT -5
In "I just wanna be average," Rose talks about the multiple explorations of numerous boundaries and acts of classification. He talks about the educational system's liability to label students and limit their potential based on perceived abilities. Rose opposes these boundaries and advocates for an education system that values and supports the unique strengths of each student.
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