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Post by Ms. English on May 30, 2023 7:54:16 GMT -5
Post your answers to the discussion question here. Make sure to read the responses of those posted before you and respond directly to them when appropriate before posting your own.
"Students will float to the mark you set," Rose writes (par. 11). Write about a time in your life when this was true of you, and reflect more generally on your life as a student. Have you found that your educational experiences thus far have pushed you to exceed what you originally thought was possible? What kinds of motivation are built into our educational system? Has traditional motivation (such as getting good grades) worked for you? What kind of an educational system might motivate all students?
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Post by audrey on Jul 6, 2023 14:36:47 GMT -5
The phrase “students will float to the mark you set” means that students will rise or fall depending on the level of expectation that the teacher sets for them. Personally, my life as a student has always been to put in my best effort in all my work. The teachers I have had so far have had a high level of expectation from their students, especially KAMSC teachers. My educational experiences thus far have definitely pushed me to exceed what I originally thought was possible. In 9th and 10th grade I was able to push myself above and beyond what I thought I was capable of, I completed work I thought I could barely even handle. There are two kinds of motivation built into our educational system; intrinsic and extrinsic. Traditional motivation like getting good grades, parent expectations, and future goals has worked for me because it helps drive me to work harder and try my absolute best. An educational system that might motivate all students is one that is flexible and adaptable. This system would help recognize each student’s strengths and weaknesses, help students to progress at their own pace, and would provide different educational opportunities for students to achieve their goals like vocational education and internships. A flexible and adaptable educational system will allow students to pursue their interests, develop skills, and achieve success on their own terms.
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Post by Marley Mickel on Jul 9, 2023 3:45:19 GMT -5
In "I Just Wanna Be Average" by Mike Rose, Rose writes "Students will float to the mark you set,"(par. 11). A time in my life when this sentence was true to me was when I was in Chinese class last year, and my teacher was encouraging us students to make our own quizlets with proper translation as well as Pinyin if we needed it. Pinyin is basically Chinese spelled out with the American alphabet. (For example, to type Chinese on a computer you have to type “Ni Hao” on the keyboard to say Hi, but on the screen, it will show up as “你好!”) My teacher encouraged us to do that and helped me with my Chinese. I have found that my educational experiences thus far have pushed me to exceed what I didn't think was possible for me as a person. In our school, they like to encourage us to get good grades by throwing Renaissance rallies for those who get a certain GPA throughout the trimester. Traditional motivation doesn't always work well for me, sometimes we as people need mental health days, KPS schools put a lot of stress on their students and they don't even know it. As far as an educational system motivating all students, I would say definitely more breaks are needed, we shouldn't get in trouble for missing school if our grades are up.
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Post by Arianna McCord on Jul 12, 2023 13:34:44 GMT -5
One of the times in my life where the quote plays a role was in my College and Career readiness class. Anytime we had an assignment where we needed to write something there was a word count for what kind of grade we got. 40 words was 25%, 200 words was 80%, and so on. So when I saw those I saw the 100% word count, and then the word count for extra credit. The percentage would be like 110%. So when I saw that the extra credit would only take a couple more sentences, I decided to do it. I feel this quote relates to this scenario because the teacher had set a limit to something but then offered a little more, so for that, some of us had taken it and over achieved it. With that the quote showing how if the teachers can set a line, students can cross it. I have found that some of the things in the education system do help me really push my limits on the things that I can do in a classroom. Some of the motivation in the educational system is extrinsic and intrinsic motivation. When students are internally motivated to learn and when students are motivated by outside factors. I feel as though the traditional motivation kinda works for me mostly because I like the feeling of having all A's but it can get to a point where it really doesn't matter. So I guess you can say it just depends. I feel one way the educational system can help motivate students is by giving us days off. I know we can't have too many days off but some kids are having to deal with or handle a lot more than others and need a break. Even if you're not and just need a break, that should be fine and shouldn't be punished for.
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Post by Hailey Lowry on Jul 16, 2023 11:16:00 GMT -5
The phrase “students will float to the mark you set” was mentioned in “I just want to be average” by Mike Rose. As I got older, I felt the expectation from teachers goes up higher every year. An example of this high expectation came from my APUSH teacher. He always pushed and motivated us to do our best in class and within this past year, that helped me grow a lot. These educational experiences so far have pushed me past what I thought I could accomplish for sure. In 8th grade, we were online for classes and that year I definitely could have tried harder within my classes, but once I got into high school I was able to motivate myself to do better and try harder within the classes. Some types of encouragement within our education system is when you get better grades you get more opportunities to go to rallies and events during the school day. Some traditional motivation has worked for me. For example, when I see my good grades, it continues to push me to do my best. A way that the education system could motivate students is by giving them mental health days. These days would relieve some stress off of students and could be very beneficial.
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Post by jordanpritchett on Jul 23, 2023 21:38:23 GMT -5
I didn’t relate to Rose when speaking of how students will aim for the expectations set for them because I haven’t been given clear expectations when it comes to school, so I have always worried less about passing and more about not falling below exceptional. I think this wounded a part of me as now I have these unspoken standards that I have made for myself that sometimes hurt me more than they help. I haven’t missed a day of school since I started high school, I have a 4.0 GPA weighted, and I am now heading into my senior year without having a junior year. In short, my motivation has always been that I don’t want to sink below an expectation I was never given, so I won’t allow myself to do worse than the best. However, if the education system was turned into a pass-fail system rather than a graded one, I think students would gain more out of school than they do now. Hypothetically, this would work because students would feel less pressured as they have to show their understanding of the content rather than memorizing dates and definitions. If we adopt a pass-fail system, students would see equations as techniques to solve problems rather than something they will use in that class and never again outside of that.
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Post by meadowmeskil on Jul 26, 2023 20:25:23 GMT -5
During my educational career, "students will float to the mark you set" has always applied to me in all of my classes. It has always been expected to turn work in on your time and do your best, and that rule has been stricter in some classes such as honors english, AP Psych, and AP Lit. Traditional motivations such as getting good grades and going to college has always motivated me, and I think those are the types of motivations that are mostly and have always been built into our education system. Generally as a student, I like to try my hardest and put in a lot of focus into my work, and I always have to turn it in on time. My educational experiences have pushed me especially with honors and APs, which have pushed me and taught me to work harder than before and harder than other classes, but also train me to work harder in classes that aren't as complex.
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Post by izzymorris0715 on Jul 27, 2023 20:46:34 GMT -5
I feel like I have always “floated to the mark” my teachers have set. Whether that mark was high or low. This has especially been true since the beginning of high school. Online school was very easy for me, but there were lower expectations, so when I went back in-person it was rough at first. Early on in my high school career I realized that I actually had to try…Which was weird because I never really had to put in effort to get an A before. As my teachers' expectations heightened I started to work harder to meet them. But I also realized that classes where teachers didn't seem to care as much about my work would create a sloppier result because I felt they didn't care about my time. Overall I do feel that my educational experience has pushed me to exceed what I thought was possible, especially having done research projects at KAMSC. I feel like the biggest motivation that's built into our education system is that if we want to be rewarded or praised by parents, peers, and universities, we have to get good grades. Which has 100% pushed me to do so. I feel like if students got more praise for good work then they would put in more effort. That being said, there are also other factors that go into that such as support from parents and teachers.
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Post by Eloise on Jul 28, 2023 11:03:21 GMT -5
As I have always had an amazing support system, I have mostly been able to “float to the mark” that was set for me. Entering Middle school I was in advanced classes but by surrounding myself with others in those classes I did not take much notice of that. When I started ATYP, my perspective began to change a little. I was offered the opportunity and I did more than I had expected and accomplished my goals. In starting High school, I began my KAMSC career. Here I began to notice the split even more between those who were motivated and those who weren't. However, the support system that made it possible for me to succeed is not what everyone else had access to. The motivations built into our education are mainly that getting good grades will get you somewhere. This is not always enough for some people. I believe an educational system that is more focused on students' imaginations and goals would be better than our traditional, good grades or fail system. If students were able to picture and become who or what they want to be, experience their interests in the real world, and figure out who they are, there is a much better chance they will be motivated. Everyone has interests, but our traditional educational system puts the interests of good grades and test scores above their students.
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Post by Ari Johnson on Jul 31, 2023 14:02:09 GMT -5
"Students will float to the mark you set" is a phrase used to describe how most students will do the bare minimum and only apply the work necessary in order to make a certain standard or "mark". This "mark" can also be set lower or higher depending on how the teacher views the student. Personally, my motivation in school mostly comes from high test scores or positive feedback from teachers. The main reason I push myself to do better in class is to exceed the expectations of my teachers, parents, and students around me. I want to always do better in class and when I get back the same amount of effort that I put in to an assignment, it gives me a sense of accomplishment that leads me to want to do even better. This can also work both ways. When I feel as if I did my best on a test or an assignment and the grade I get back isn't one that I'd hoped for, it discourages me and makes me not want to try as hard as I did before because I don't want to be disappointed again. Overall, it's not about what sets me back, but what pushes me forward.
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Post by jesseruelas on Jul 31, 2023 18:49:32 GMT -5
The phrase, “students will float to the mark you set” represents that the student will either achieve growth or not depending on how the teacher sets goals and pushes their students to be the best. As a student what helps me become motivated the most is when my teachers will talk to me face to face and make it feel like they care. If they create goals for me and push me to surpass these goals I feel more destined to achieve them and work harder to attain better grades. I also feel motivated by my parents expectations and striving to meet their view on how I should be performing in school. An educational system that I feel would be best for student’s growth is to be flexible and to care about the student’s progress. Just something as simple as telling a kid that they are missing an assignment can help them stay on task and succeed.
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Post by margaretscavarda on Aug 1, 2023 12:56:34 GMT -5
Mike Rose, the author of "I Just Wanna Be Average," wrote, "Students will float to the mark you set" (par. 11). This means that students will either rise or fall (academically and generally) to the standards and expectations that teachers hold. Rose's words describe my academic career throughout middle school perfectly. All my life I have been academically talented and school has always come easy to me. Throughout seventh and eighth grade I completed Honors English 9-12 in ATYP. These classes pushed me incredibly hard and I had to work hard. In my regular middle school classes, however, I never needed to try. I would often work at 60% and still easily receive A's. When I didn't find it necessary to work my hardest, I didn't. Setting goals and rewarding myself have motivated me to push myself in school. ATYP was hard, but knowing that I would have all four English credits going into my freshman year encouraged me to keep going.
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Post by Aubrianna Caldwell on Aug 13, 2023 12:18:19 GMT -5
“Students will flow to the mark you set” is a phrase used to show how teachers can deeply impact their students and the way their students can achieve great things or fall behind. This is true to me in basically all of my classes. Teachers always have a set of expectations and things that should not happened, for example all of my teachers have set times to turn in homework and it is expected to be done by that deadline, however sometimes teachers give extension and more time to work on assignments, so even when you're falling behind they still give second chances to improve and make a better grade. Majority of my teachers are more strict, but I believe that is necessary to improve as a student and take school seriously. I do also believe that teachers should have fun with teaching and make it more enjoyable for students.
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Post by violetkn on Aug 16, 2023 11:17:18 GMT -5
The phrase “students will float to the mark you set” means that students will rise or fall depending on the level of expectation that the teacher sets for them. Personally, my life as a student has always been to put in my best effort in all my work. The teachers I have had so far have had a high level of expectation from their students, especially KAMSC teachers. My educational experiences thus far have definitely pushed me to exceed what I originally thought was possible. In 9th and 10th grade I was able to push myself above and beyond what I thought I was capable of, I completed work I thought I could barely even handle. There are two kinds of motivation built into our educational system; intrinsic and extrinsic. Traditional motivation like getting good grades, parent expectations, and future goals has worked for me because it helps drive me to work harder and try my absolute best. An educational system that might motivate all students is one that is flexible and adaptable. This system would help recognize each student’s strengths and weaknesses, help students to progress at their own pace, and would provide different educational opportunities for students to achieve their goals like vocational education and internships. A flexible and adaptable educational system will allow students to pursue their interests, develop skills, and achieve success on their own terms. As a fellow KAMSC student I agree with the feeling that I have a high level of expectation placed on me from the curriculum. I also feel that KAMSC pushes me to put my best effort into all of my work. I definitely notice a difference between the levels of expectation at KAMSC compared to Loy Norrix, however that is not to say that I have not had teachers at Loy Norrix who have pushed me to put in my best effort, especially in AP courses. My educational experiences have definitely pushed me, however I do find times where I "just want to be average", especially with subjects I struggle with more. I do find that traditional methods of motivation do work for me, however I find that sometimes my standards do slip slightly, especially looking at grades, however this depends on the class, as some classes push me more than others and I have different starting bases in them. I agree with Audrey in saying that a flexible and adaptable educational system would be the help to motivate all students.
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Post by Anna Miedema on Aug 17, 2023 10:28:10 GMT -5
The phrase “students will float to the mark you set” was said in “I just want to be average” by Mike Rose. I have never tried to excise what i believed was possible in my educational experience, i have been taking it easy in my comfort zone, I have only had one teacher in my high school experience this far that has guided me to do things i was later proud of. The motivation that is built into our education system is the grades, the grades are all that seem to matter in the long run but it is not until i have looked past the grades you start to really learn and thrive. Deadlines are there to keep the school year moving but also to encourage the student not to procrastinate, but deadlines can also make students more frustrated and want to give up. Once all motivation is lost the last option is to look to the teachers for encouragement to do great things.
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